Comments on: Is Rocky Marciano Overrated? http://theboxingmagazine.com/2009/09/06/is-rocky-marciano-overrated/ Sun, 08 Aug 2010 19:50:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: FRANKIEG http://theboxingmagazine.com/2009/09/06/is-rocky-marciano-overrated/comment-page-1/#comment-121 FRANKIEG Fri, 19 Mar 2010 03:16:10 +0000 http://theboxingmagazine.com/?p=197#comment-121 I WOULD LIKE TO PUT TO REST WHO WAS THE GREATEST FIGHTER OF ALL TIME AND THE BEST POUND FOR POUND BOXER WAS. WELL A MODERN DAY FIGHTER FOR THE POUND FOR POUND CATEGORY IT HAS TO BE WILLIE PEP....NO IFS ANDS OR BUTS ABOUT IT. NOW FOR THE BEST "FIGHTER OF ALL TIME", I WANT TO YOU HEAR A STORY FIRST ABOUT A KID THAT WAS PICK ON SINCE 1ST GRADE BY TO BIG BULLIES, THESE GUYS WOULD SET UP FIGHTS WITH WITH THIS KID BY OTHER STREET BULLIES. THIS WENT ON ALL THE WAY THROUGH HIGH SCHOOL. THIS KID WAS ALWAYS BEING DUMPED UPON. THEN, IT SEEMED LIKE OVER NIGHT THIS GREW UP AND I MEAN UP...HE WAS A WELL BUILT 6'2" 220LB GOOD LOOKING KID OR BETTER YET A GOOD LOOKING MAN. THIS GUY WAS NOW A BAR ROOM BRAWLER A HE WAS A BULLY BEAT DOWN GUY. HE WAS NOT VERY FAST, HIS ARM WERE SHORT FOR BIG GUY BUT HE HIT LIKE A MULE. HE SWAM, USED THE 150 HEAVY BAG, A RAN ALL THE TIME, HE SAID ONCE THAT THE GUYS HE HATED TO FIGHT WAS THE LITTLE STOCKY BULIES, WITH A CHIN AND NEVER TIRED AND HIT VERY HARD. WELL IT DIDN'T TAKE LONG FOR THIS BULLY BEAT DOWN GUY TO GAIN A HUGE REP IN THE LOCALS BARS IN BROOKLYN AND QUEENS. HE WAS NOTED FOR THE "MUSTARD FIGHT", THIS IS WHERE HE WAS PINNED ON THE BAR FLOOR BY HIS FRIENDS, 6 OF THEM, AND ONE OF THE GUYS PICKED UP PLASTIC SPOON DIPPED IT MUSTARD AND FLIPPED IT INTO THIS GUYS EYE...WELL, THIS IS NO TALE, I WAS THERE...HE THREW THESE 6 GUYS, ALL HIS AND BIGGER, ALL OVER THE PLACE, THEY BROKE THE POOL TABLE, JUKEBOX AND THE CHAIRS THAT SURROUNED A TABLE WITH THE OLD RED CHECKED CLOTH TABLE TOP. HE BEAT THEM ALL AND HE COULDN'T SEE OUT OF ONE JUST LIKE CARMEN BASILLO IN HIS FIGHT WITH SUGAR RAY ROBINSON...WHICH I THOUGHT CARMEN WON... THIS GUY HAD A BHUGE REP AND GUYS CAME FROM ALL OVER TO STEAL HIS THUNDER....THEY SOON FOUND OUT HOW WRONG THEY WERE...HE TOLD ME STORY ABOUT GOING....I'LL STOP HERE, I'M GETTING OFF THE SUBJECT. WELL ANYWAY, THIS GUY TOLD ME WAS UPSET TO THE CORE WHEN HE HIT AGUY AND HE WENT DOWN AND JUMPED RIGHT UP, HE SAID POUNDED THE REAL BAD BUT HE STILL CAME AT HIM, THE GUY WAS BLOODY MESS BUT WAS STILL COMING, HE YELLED STOP THIS GUY BEFORE I KILL HIM...THE KID NEVER TIRED AND HIT HARD AND I WANTED THIS TO END WITHOUT HIM LOSING HIS REP.... WELL HE NEVER DID AND HE ALWAYS REMAINED FRIENDS WITH THAT GUY NEVER TO FIGHT AGAIN....SOUNDS LIKE TALL TALE BUT IT ALL TRUE....I COULD WRITE A BOOK ABOUT THIS BULLY BEAT DOWN GUY... HE ALWAYS SAID MARCIANO WAS THE TOUGHEST, ROUGHEST FIGHTERS EVER...ROCKY HAD EVERYTHING YOU NEEDED TO BE A GREAT ONE, A CHIN, COULD HIT LIKE MULE, THOUGH 80-100 PUNCHES A ROUND AND COULD GO 30 ROUNDS IF NEED BE. HE TOLD ME WHEN ROCKY HIT CLAY IN THE STOMACH IN THE COMPUTER FIGHT FOR KNOCKING ROCKIES WIG OFF TWICE...HE WARNED CLAY BUT CLAY BEING A REAL BIG MOUTH PUNK DID IT AGAIN AND ROCKY UNLOADED A SHOT THE GUT AND DR. FERDIE PACHECO JUMPED INTO THE RING THINKING CLAY WAS DYING. CLAY SAID HE WAS SORRY TO ROCK....CLAY ADMITTED THAT ROCK WAS THE ONLY WHITE FIGHTER HE LIKE AND WAS A PALLBEARER AT ROCK'S FUNERAL....CLAY FELT THAT POWER... CLAY DID THE ROPE-A-DOPE WITH FOREMAM WITH CLAY WHIPPING GEORGE BUT WHEN ROLAND LASTARZA DID THE ROPE-A-DOPE WITH ROCK, ROCK BROKE HIS ARMS, SO MUCH FOR FOREMAN POWER. HOW MANY TIMES DID FOREMAN SHEAR THE TEETH OF AN OPPONENT TO THE NUB? ROCK DID IT 3 TIMES. CASE CLOSED ON THE GREATEST...ROCK'S THE MAN ' I WOULD LIKE TO PUT TO REST WHO WAS THE GREATEST FIGHTER OF ALL TIME AND THE BEST POUND FOR POUND BOXER WAS. WELL A MODERN DAY FIGHTER FOR THE POUND FOR POUND CATEGORY IT HAS TO BE WILLIE PEP….NO IFS ANDS OR BUTS ABOUT IT.

NOW FOR THE BEST “FIGHTER OF ALL TIME”, I WANT TO YOU HEAR A STORY FIRST ABOUT A KID THAT WAS PICK ON SINCE 1ST GRADE BY TO BIG BULLIES, THESE GUYS WOULD SET UP FIGHTS WITH WITH THIS KID BY OTHER STREET BULLIES. THIS WENT ON ALL THE WAY THROUGH HIGH SCHOOL. THIS KID WAS ALWAYS BEING DUMPED UPON. THEN, IT SEEMED LIKE OVER NIGHT THIS GREW UP AND I MEAN UP…HE WAS A WELL BUILT 6’2″ 220LB GOOD LOOKING KID OR BETTER YET A GOOD LOOKING MAN.

THIS GUY WAS NOW A BAR ROOM BRAWLER A HE WAS A BULLY BEAT DOWN GUY. HE WAS NOT VERY FAST, HIS ARM WERE SHORT FOR BIG GUY BUT HE HIT LIKE A MULE.
HE SWAM, USED THE 150 HEAVY BAG, A RAN ALL THE TIME,
HE SAID ONCE THAT THE GUYS HE HATED TO FIGHT WAS THE LITTLE STOCKY BULIES, WITH A CHIN AND NEVER TIRED AND HIT VERY HARD.

WELL IT DIDN’T TAKE LONG FOR THIS BULLY BEAT DOWN GUY TO GAIN A HUGE REP IN THE LOCALS BARS IN BROOKLYN AND QUEENS. HE WAS NOTED FOR THE “MUSTARD FIGHT”, THIS IS WHERE HE WAS PINNED ON THE BAR FLOOR BY HIS FRIENDS, 6 OF THEM, AND ONE OF THE GUYS PICKED UP PLASTIC SPOON DIPPED IT MUSTARD AND FLIPPED IT INTO THIS GUYS EYE…WELL, THIS IS NO TALE, I WAS THERE…HE THREW THESE 6 GUYS, ALL HIS AND BIGGER, ALL OVER THE PLACE, THEY BROKE THE POOL TABLE, JUKEBOX AND THE CHAIRS THAT SURROUNED A TABLE WITH THE OLD RED CHECKED CLOTH TABLE TOP.

HE BEAT THEM ALL AND HE COULDN’T SEE OUT OF ONE JUST LIKE CARMEN BASILLO IN HIS FIGHT WITH SUGAR RAY ROBINSON…WHICH I THOUGHT CARMEN WON…

THIS GUY HAD A BHUGE REP AND GUYS CAME FROM ALL OVER TO STEAL HIS THUNDER….THEY SOON FOUND OUT HOW WRONG THEY WERE…HE TOLD ME STORY ABOUT GOING….I’LL STOP HERE, I’M GETTING OFF THE SUBJECT.

WELL ANYWAY, THIS GUY TOLD ME WAS UPSET TO THE CORE WHEN HE HIT AGUY AND HE WENT DOWN AND JUMPED RIGHT UP, HE SAID POUNDED THE REAL BAD BUT HE STILL CAME AT HIM, THE GUY WAS BLOODY MESS BUT WAS STILL COMING, HE YELLED STOP THIS GUY BEFORE I KILL HIM…THE KID NEVER TIRED AND HIT HARD AND I WANTED THIS TO END WITHOUT HIM LOSING HIS REP….

WELL HE NEVER DID AND HE ALWAYS REMAINED FRIENDS WITH THAT GUY NEVER TO FIGHT AGAIN….SOUNDS LIKE TALL TALE BUT IT ALL TRUE….I COULD WRITE A BOOK ABOUT THIS BULLY BEAT DOWN GUY…

HE ALWAYS SAID MARCIANO WAS THE TOUGHEST, ROUGHEST FIGHTERS EVER…ROCKY HAD EVERYTHING YOU NEEDED TO BE A GREAT ONE, A CHIN, COULD HIT LIKE MULE, THOUGH 80-100 PUNCHES A ROUND AND COULD GO 30 ROUNDS IF NEED BE. HE TOLD ME WHEN ROCKY HIT CLAY IN THE STOMACH IN THE COMPUTER FIGHT FOR KNOCKING ROCKIES WIG OFF TWICE…HE WARNED CLAY BUT CLAY BEING A REAL BIG MOUTH PUNK DID IT AGAIN AND ROCKY UNLOADED A SHOT THE GUT AND DR. FERDIE PACHECO JUMPED INTO THE RING THINKING CLAY WAS DYING.

CLAY SAID HE WAS SORRY TO ROCK….CLAY ADMITTED THAT ROCK WAS THE ONLY WHITE FIGHTER HE LIKE AND WAS A PALLBEARER AT ROCK’S FUNERAL….CLAY FELT THAT POWER…

CLAY DID THE ROPE-A-DOPE WITH FOREMAM WITH CLAY WHIPPING GEORGE BUT WHEN ROLAND LASTARZA DID THE ROPE-A-DOPE WITH ROCK, ROCK BROKE HIS ARMS, SO MUCH FOR FOREMAN POWER. HOW MANY TIMES DID FOREMAN SHEAR THE TEETH OF AN OPPONENT TO THE NUB? ROCK DID IT 3 TIMES.

CASE CLOSED ON THE GREATEST…ROCK’S THE MAN

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]]> By: Scott Burrell http://theboxingmagazine.com/2009/09/06/is-rocky-marciano-overrated/comment-page-1/#comment-83 Scott Burrell Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:03:19 +0000 http://theboxingmagazine.com/?p=197#comment-83 I am really undecided about whether or not Marciano was overrated. He had the best record in heavyweight history 49-0 with only 6 going the distance, he also always found a way to win, even when he was losing badly, I have a lot of respect for him and like they say, your the man untill your beaten. I just wonder though if Marciano could have gone undefeated in another era, because through no fault of his own he came along during one of the weakest periods for heavyweights. First there's his size 5'10.5, 185lb, 68" reach. He never fought a TOP opponent who was over 200lb except old Joe Louis, 37 of his opponents were under 200lb so how would he cope with the giants that came later on? Although he did fight great fighters they were past their best when Marciano fought them. Joe Louis was a shadow of his former self, Ezzard Charles was firmly in decline, Joe Walcott was 38/39 and was coming to the end of a hard 22 year career, and Archie Moore was a great light-heavy, but usually came up short against top heavyweights. Like I say, his record leaves me confused because he was undefeated but so might other fighters have been if they had come along at that time. great or overrated?? I am really undecided about whether or not Marciano was overrated.
He had the best record in heavyweight history 49-0 with only 6 going the distance, he also always found a way to win, even when he was losing badly, I have a lot of respect for him and like they say, your the man untill your beaten.
I just wonder though if Marciano could have gone undefeated in another era, because through no fault of his own he came along during one of the weakest periods for heavyweights. First there’s his size 5’10.5, 185lb, 68″ reach. He never fought a TOP opponent who was over 200lb except old Joe Louis, 37 of his opponents were under 200lb so how would he cope with the giants that came later on? Although he did fight great fighters they were past their best when Marciano fought them. Joe Louis was a shadow of his former self, Ezzard Charles was firmly in decline, Joe Walcott was 38/39 and was coming to the end of a hard 22 year career, and Archie Moore was a great light-heavy, but usually came up short against top heavyweights. Like I say, his record leaves me confused because he was undefeated but so might other fighters have been if they had come along at that time. great or overrated??

]]> By: Nicholas Salerno http://theboxingmagazine.com/2009/09/06/is-rocky-marciano-overrated/comment-page-1/#comment-77 Nicholas Salerno Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:37:16 +0000 http://theboxingmagazine.com/?p=197#comment-77 Rocky was the greatest of all time there is no one to this day who could compete with him.. Rocky was the greatest of all time
there is no one to this day who could
compete with him..

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]]> By: Rich Bergeron http://theboxingmagazine.com/2009/09/06/is-rocky-marciano-overrated/comment-page-1/#comment-39 Rich Bergeron Mon, 07 Sep 2009 09:32:48 +0000 http://theboxingmagazine.com/?p=197#comment-39 No other heavyweight champion who came after Rocky fought the kind of competition he did. You can spit out any heavyweight's name in modern history from Ali to the Klitschkos. Did any of them fight anyone with the win totals of guys like Ezzard Charles and Archie Moore? No. Also, with the advent of the cruiserweight division it would be impossible for Ali to fight a lot of those champs at their natural weight if he were to fight them at his normal weight of 185-189. It wouldn't be sanctioned. He'd have to be given the benefit of the doubt of his uncanny ability to adapt to any situation and train like Hell for every fight. He'd have to bulk up to fight those guys, and you better believe he would have and could have beat every one of them in his prime if he had the chance. Fantasy match-ups against Rocky are for the birds. The reality is much better. 49-0 has never been beat at heavyweight and probably never will be. No other heavyweight champion who came after Rocky fought the kind of competition he did. You can spit out any heavyweight’s name in modern history from Ali to the Klitschkos. Did any of them fight anyone with the win totals of guys like Ezzard Charles and Archie Moore? No. Also, with the advent of the cruiserweight division it would be impossible for Ali to fight a lot of those champs at their natural weight if he were to fight them at his normal weight of 185-189. It wouldn’t be sanctioned. He’d have to be given the benefit of the doubt of his uncanny ability to adapt to any situation and train like Hell for every fight. He’d have to bulk up to fight those guys, and you better believe he would have and could have beat every one of them in his prime if he had the chance. Fantasy match-ups against Rocky are for the birds. The reality is much better. 49-0 has never been beat at heavyweight and probably never will be.

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